Refuting Jalal Abualrub's (abularub, abu-alrub) fabrication of quotes and lies.

This is not just a personal feud between me and this liar. It is rather between the good Muslims and those minority evil and cultist ones who apostatize innocent Muslims for no reason!

Refuting Jalal Abualrub's (abularub, abu-alrub) fabrication of quotes and lies:

Previously, I have refuted the wahabi Jalal Abul-Rub on some absurd comments he made. His response back was no more than a spin. He circled around all of the points that I challenged him on, and never directly answered any of them. Not only that, but to save face, he went ahead and decided to fabricate some sick lies against me and my web site.

Let us look at what this phony and self-proclaimed wahabi-scholar (sheikh) said to clearly see what I am talking about.

Note to the reader: The evil and oppressive Afghan Talibans emerged from the wahabi cult that Jalal belongs to.

Below, you will see email exchanges proving that Jalal lied. You be the judge!

What is the punishment for fornication and adultery in Islam? The answer is: for fornication, the punishment is lashing a hundred times and exile for a year; as for adultery, the punishment is stoning to death, after receiving a hundred lashes as Ali Ibn Abi Talib asserted is the Prophet’s Sunnah. Imam A`hmad (678) [also, Irwaa al-Ghalil (2430)] reported that Ali Ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, had a woman flogged on Thursday and had her stoned on Friday, saying, “I flog her according to the Book of Allah and I stone her according to the Sunnah of the Prophet of Allah, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam.”

Quranic Introduction to Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam: Allah said, {Wa-ma yantiqu `anil-hawa, in huwa illa wa`hyun yu`ha (He [Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam] does not speak of his own desire, it is only a revelation revealed)}; [53:3-4]; {Then it is for Us (Allâh) to make clear its Bayan (explanation of the Quran)}; [75:16-19]; {And We have also sent down unto you (O, Muhammad) the Dhikr (the Qur’ân), that you may Tubayyina (give the Bayan, or explain clearly) to men what is sent down to them}; [16:44]; {But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O, Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission}; [4:65].

1. Here is the Quran: Allah said, {And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allâh ordains for them some (other) way}; [4:15].

a. Here is the Quran’s Bayan: Allah’s Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, said, “Take from me. Verily Allah has ordained a way for them (women who commit illegal sexual intercourse): (When) a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman, and an unmarried male with an unmarried woman, then in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year”; [Muslim 3200].

b. This Prophetic Bayan conforms to the Quran. The Prophet legislates, by Allah’s Leave, {And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)}; [59:7]; and whatsoever the Messenger legislates is from Allah, {Wa-ma yantiqu `anil-hawa, in huwa illa wa`hyun yu`ha (He [Muhammad] does not speak of his own desire, it is only a revelation revealed)}; [53:3-4].

c. We, the Muslims, take from Allah’s Messenger whatsoever he gives us. Among the Law that the Prophet gave us, the Muslims, is that he conveyed Allah’s Commandment that married adulterers are to be stoned, “Take from me…Allah has ordained a way…a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman…there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death).”

d. Thus, Osama’s statement, ‘…to only limit the punishment to 100 lashes for both single and married’ is in direct opposition to the Quran. There is no proof whatsoever that the Quran made such a limit or that only lashing is the punishment for both married and unmarried adulterers and fornicators; this is simply a lie started by Osama. The words ‘only limit’, are nowhere to be found in the Quran with regards to punishment of adultery and fornication.

e. If anything, the Quran hints to the opposite of what Osama claims. Just read Ayat 24:2-3: {Az-zaniyatu waz-zani, flog each of them with a hundred stripes…az-zani marries not but a zaniyah or a mushrikah; and az-zaniyah, none marries her except a zani or a mushrik}. These Ayat are about illegal sexual intercourse before marriage. Just read the Ayat!

First of all, it is crystal clear that "Zani" and "Zania" in Arabic mean fornicator (male and female) and adulterer and adulteress. That is why the punishment for the "Zani" and "Zania" who are married according to the Hadiths is stoning to death!

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, 24:2)"

"Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. (The Noble Quran, 24:3)"

"The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allahs Law). (The Noble Quran, 24:2)"

"The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik (and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc.) And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress, etc.)). Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islamic Monotheism). (The Noble Quran, 24:3)"

Ironically, even in Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan translation (a translation that wahabis use frequently on the net) your points are soundly refuted! In Noble Verse 24:2, he clearly translated "Zania" and "Zani" as woman and man guilty of sexual intercourse. He did not limit it to only fornicators (single sexual sinners).

Also, they seem to have mistranslated Noble Verse 24:3 because both the adulterer and adulteress wouldn't live to have a choice to marry again! They would get stoned to death as far as the Hadiths are concerned. Unless the two translators believe that the punishment for adultery is only 100 stripes, I do not see how this translation is valid.

The point that I am making here is that when the concern was raised in the following Sahih narration about when exactly was Noble Verse 24:2 revealed, people were right to question the timing of the Noble Verse, because if it came after the Hadiths that command stoning, then this means that the Noble Verse clearly abrogated the stoning Law of adultery which originally was practiced in the Jewish Law. Here is the narration:

Narrated Ash-Shaibani: "I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi 'Aufa about the Rajam (stoning somebody to death for committing illegal sexual intercourse). He replied, 'The Prophet carried out the penalty of Rajam (stoning to death),' I asked, 'Was that before or after the revelation of Surat-an-Nur? (Noble Verse 24:2)' He replied, 'I do not know.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Punishment of Disbelievers at War with Allah and His Apostle, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824)"

So it is not the Hadiths that I am rejecting here. It is rather their timing that I am questioning!

So again Jalal, DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT reject Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824 narration above?

If you don't, then you are left with a conflict in the Sahih Bukhari collection, because you can't prove that Noble Verse 24:2 did not abrogate/nullify the Law of stoning for adultery.

To make matters worse, I know that you as a wahabi believe that the narrations in the hadith collections "Al-thikr", which is another Name for the Noble Quran. This is of course is quite absurd at best, because:

1- The Hadiths, even the ones that were truly narrated by the Prophet, are not "Al-Thikr". They certainly are a must to follow. But they are not Quran!

2- The narrations that we have today are mixed between Truth and lies put on the mouth of the Prophet. Calling all of the "Al-Thikr" is exactly equivalent to what this Noble Verse Says:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

Yes Ameen!! Woe to you Jalal and to your wahabi cult for calling lies as Allah Almighty's Holy and Divine Words, and even Hadiths on the mouth of the Prophet, peace be upon him!

Woe to you and to your cult for taking close to 2,000,000 narrations out there and considering all of them to be Narrations from the Prophet and Divine Words from Allah Almighty!

Your cult in Saudi Arabia does evil things such as genital mutilation to females [1] because some sick lie was put on the mouth of the Prophet, peace be upon him, where a woman narrated that the Prophet allowed it:

Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: "A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 41, Number 5251)"

Also, slavery is to be brought back, despite the fact that Islam came to end it!

Weblog
Saudi Religious Leader Calls for Slavery's Legalization
November 7, 2003

"Slavery is a part of Islam," he announced in a recent lecture. "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." He argued against the idea that slavery had ever been abolished, insulting those who espouse this view as "ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel."

That such a viewpoint can be asserted by a card-carrying member of the Saudi religious establishment is a tragic commentary on the state of Islamic discourse today. (November 7, 2003)

The fact that slavery ended by the Muslims, and is not practiced in the Muslim world, and this wahabi cleric is trying to bring it back proves:

Also, the fact that he said: "...Whoever says such things (things that are against slavery in Islam) is an infidel." further proves that this evil cult:

2- Has no problem in selectively and carelessly declaring people as infidels, left and right.

3- Doesn't realize the seriousness of declaring one as an infidel and the blasphemy and evil that they are practicing and causing.

But unfortunately for you this also means that every narration is equivalent to any Noble Verse from the Noble Quran.

So clearly, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824 creates a big dilemma for you, because you now have a "Quran Verse" that is declaring that we don't know if Noble Verse 24:2 came to abrogate the Law of Rajm (stoning) or not for adultery.

So, do you believe that Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824 is Thikr?

Note to the reader: See also the contradiction in the Sahih narrations regarding Muta (temporary marriage), which he never even remotely addressed! Some say it was Umar, the second Caliph, who forbade Muta, while others say it was the Prophet, peace be upon him.

Also, you took my entire position and statement out of context. That is why you purposely partially quoted a sentence from a long article that I wrote which refuted you and your absurd claims. To the reader, the following is what I wrote. I basically presented to Jalal a Hadith that claimed that the punishment for adultery is stoning to death and for fornication it is 100 lashes, which goes well with his statements above, and I showed him another Hadith or narration in a Sahih collection of the Hadiths that says we do not know if Noble Verse 24:2 came before or after the Prophet's ordering of the punishments that I just mentioned. So basically, if the Noble Verse came after, then this means that the punishment for both adultery and fornication is only 100 lashes, period.

I did not make any judgements. I rather presented to this quote-twister two contradicting narrations and asked him to respond to them, since he said that rejecting any narration in any Sahih collection is like rejecting the Noble Quran. So I challenged him to show us how on earth is it possible for him to accept both narrations when one of them must be false!

Also, using his absurd logic below, he himself is a rejector of the Noble Quran!

Here is an email that Mr. Jalal Abul-Rub sent to his email list, which included me:

as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah

in several emails, i urged br. osama to reconsider his unacceptable stance against hadeeth, but he did not accept my appeals to him nor gave me, as i repeatedly challenged him, an example to one hadeeth that contradicts the quran, just one authentic hadeeth....thus, i have decided not to be directly involved with his website or respond on a personal level to his emails to me: i am a salafi, just like br nadir is, and to me, rejecting one authnetic hadeeth is rejecting all ahadeeth and also rejecting the quran...to me, attack on hadeeth coming from muslims is more dangerous and serious than attack on hadeeth coming from non-muslims....this is my faith, this is what i believe in and i will never compromise on this with anyone....thus, as i said to br osama, it will not benefit me or osama if i -even though i am not a scholar- divert my attention from my ever growing projects to responding to his stance against the prophet's ahadeeth: time is really short and the attack is coming from every direction, so we must concentrate on what we think is more beneficial for islam....thus, i urge you both to leave this matter at this, and let each one of us go on the manhaj he chose for hismelf in islam since advice has been given......finally, i again challenge everyone to bring one authentic hadeeth, just one, that contradicts the quran, i think that this is a fair challenge.............

as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah

First of all, if I recall correctly, the only emails (two emails both at the same time sent directly to him on a personal level) I sent after he did not respond to my last email to him were regarding Sam Shamoun's challenge to him for a debate. A Muslim brother forwarded me his email conversation with Shamoun regarding the debate setup. Since I wanted to help him, and to honor Islam by contributing to him becoming victorious in the debate ONLY FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAM, I decided to contact him knowing that it is highly possible that he won't reply.

I look out for Islam, and Islam and Allah Almighty come before anything else. Otherwise, I have no practical reason to even consider emailing you.

Now in regards to you rejecting one hadith it is like rejecting all hadiths and the Noble Quran, let us see if your big words and salafi-arrogance will stand the test:

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported: "Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Receive (teaching) from me, receive (teaching) from me. Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 17, The Book Pertaining to Punishments Prescribed by Islam (Kitab Al-Hudud), Number 4191)"

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, 24:2)"

Yet, we don't know if the Noble Quran came to nullify the Jewish Law or not!

So according to Hadith #824, Noble Verse 24:2 quite possibly came to abrogate the Jewish Law regarding stoning to death the adulterer and/or adulteress, and to only limit the punishment to 100 lashes for both single and married.

Jalal is now rejecting the Sahih Bukhari Hadith, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824. Therefore, Jalal is now rejecting the entire Noble Quran, according to his statement above!

Abu Nadra reported: "While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'a (Tamattu’ of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu’ with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3250)"

It was the second Caliph Omar (Umar) who forbade it, not the Prophet, nor even the first Caliph Abu Baker!

"Rabi' b. Sabra reported that his father went on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during the Victory of Mecca, and we stayed there for fifteen days (i. e. for thirteen full days and a day and a night), and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage with women. So I and another person of my tribe went out, and I was more handsome than he, whereas he was almost ugly. Each one of us had a cloaks, My cloak was worn out, whereas the cloak of my cousin was quite new. As we reached the lower or the upper side of Mecca, we came across a young woman like a young smart long-necked she-camel. We said: Is it possible that one of us may contract temporary marriage with you? She said: What will you give me as a dower? Each one of us spread his cloak. She began to cast a glance on both the persons. My companion also looked at her when she was casting a glance at her side and he said: This cloak of his is worn out, whereas my cloak is quite new. She, however, said twice or thrice: There is no harm in (accepting) this cloak (the old one). So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3253)"

"It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:52)"

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"

It would never be fair for a married Muslim who has permanent wife or wives, to exploit other women and to marry them temporarily in a marriage that is intentionally destined for divorce. Allah Almighty clearly commanded the Muslims to only marry one if they feel they won't be capable to be just and fair in the marriage.

Jalal is now rejecting the Sahih Muslim Hadith, Book 008, Number 3250. Therefore, Jalal is now rejecting the entire Noble Quran, according to his statement above!

2. Here is the Quran: {Az-zaniyatu (fornicatress) waz-zani (and the fornicator), flog each of them with a hundred stripes}; [24:2]; {Surely, We have sent down to you (O, Muhammad) the Book (Qur’ân) in truth that you might judge between men by that which Allâh has shown you (has taught you through Divine Revelation)}; [4:105].

a. Here is the Quran’s Prophetic Bayan: Al-Bukhari (2498) and Muslim (3210) narrated that a bedouin came and said, “O, Allah’s Messenger! Judge between us according to Allah’s Laws.” His opponent got up and said, “He is right. Judge between us according to Allah’s Laws.” The bedouin said, “My son was a laborer working for this man, and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death; so, in lieu of that, I paid a ransom of one hundred sheep and a slave girl to save my son. Then I asked the learned scholars who said, ‘Your son has to be lashed one-hundred lashes and has to be exiled for one year.’” The Prophet said, “No doubt I will judge between you according to Allah’s Kitab. The slave-girl and the sheep are to go back to you, and your son will get a hundred lashes and one year exile.” He then said, “O, Unais! Go to the wife of this (man) and stone her to death.” Unais went and stoned her to death.

b. In this Hadeeth, the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, joined between flogging for the fornicator and stoning to death for the adulterer.

c. He, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, made this judgment after saying, “No doubt I will judge between you according to Allah’s Kitab”; ‘Kitab’, literally translates into ‘Book.’ Hopefully, even Osama knows that this is in reference to the Quran.

d. Did the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, lie when he said that he was giving this judgment according to Allah’s Book?

e. Or, using Osama’s words, has the Prophet spoken utter nonsense when he thought that he was inspired to say what he said when in reality he wasn’t since this is the problem when one wants to think that he is being inspired when he…has good inner feelings?

In regards to fornication and adultery, I have refuted your points in the section above.

Also, this is where he has proven himself to be a big liar! The quotes that he quoted from me about the Prophet "speaking utter nonsense" do not exist on my web site, and most certainly, I never said them in my response to him at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/response_to_jalal_abulrub.htm.

What he presented were quotes from internet-archived files of conversations that I had years ago when I was seriously considering to become a Quran-only Muslim where I would have no regard to any hadith what so ever. What this liar is doing here is mixing the facts, twisting the quotes, and taking them out of context in both time and contents, and presenting them as things that I just recently spoke, or things that I still believe in today.

The reason I call him a liar, is because this Truth had been made crystal clear to him many times already as the following emails clearly reveal. Yet, he chose to stick with his emotions and fabricate lies against me and my web site by mixing old facts with new ones and taking everything entirely out of context.

Was I wrong for investigating the Truth and challenging everything I believed in? I am a strong Muslim today with strong faith and the highest respect for Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. If I have to be considered bad and evil for the rest of my life because of previous beliefs that I considered to embrace, then why are we accepting non-Muslims to embrace Islam? Weren't they also believers of deviant beliefs?

aleikom salaam brothers,

i'm glad to see Osama investigating his articles, and open for truth. 
I'm disapointing in jalal, for using old articles of osama of 2004.....

notice also bassam that shayk g.f. haddad only gave his opinion based 
on this info, since he was told that osama accused the prophet (saw) of 
lying, which we know Osama repented from, since back then he was becoming a 
quran-only muslim, and thats why haddad declared him a kafir, just like 
the majority of scholars declare quran-only muslims a kafir or muslims who 
accuse the prophet (saw) of lying, however we all know Osama repented 
from this and changed his view. I'm disapointed in these brothers mailing 
shayks with old info of a person, and then using the fatwa of a shayk against 
him, it's the same like stabbing someone in the back with mistakes he made 
in the past, this is not brotherhood.....

wa salaam

Jalal, we saw that Osama admitted he was wrong with the Jesus is beast. Give him time on the hell. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK HIM TO REPENT IN PUBLIC. All you want to do is humiliate him. Its none of your business if he repents. That is between him and God. What is your business is that Osama removes the articles.......

But for you to demand a public repentance is wayyyyyyy out of order and you have no authority to demand such a thing. The fact that Osama removed them means he rejected them.

Get on with your Prophet of Mercy book which is taking forever. Your book is probably going to address arguments that we have already refuted but I still wish you luck. Atleast you would be doing something usefull besides picking on Muslims and having them called Kaafirs (infidels) and demanding repentance from them (something only God has the authority to do)......

Jazakallah khayr

I was reading all that Osama said almost all of them except the Jesus is beast article and hell being empty are all removen from the website!!!! He is attacking Osama for his previous beliefs. The idea that Osama removed them shows that he rejected them. It is not no one's business to ask Osama to repent in public. Who the hell is someone to force somone to repent? He repents to his lord and that is all that matters. Osama or anyone else does not need anyone to forgive him but Allah.........

The Prophet made it clear that a Muslim is a Muslim if he believes in the five pillars of Islam, six pillars of Eeman and concept of Qadar. Osama believes in all. You cannot excommunicate him from Islam if he does not publicly reject any of these.

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 2526 Narrated by Anas ibn Malik

The Prophet (saws) said: “Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action.”

Here is a fatwa from Shaykh Al Albani....

Shaykh Al Albani gave a fatwa making it forbidden to declare somone kaafir just because of his actions.

Taken from http://www.allaahuakbar.net/scholars/albaani/concerning_those_who_do_not_rule_by_allaah.htm

say: it is not permissible to declare them kaafir due to this, and to eject them from the religion, when they are believers in Allaah and His Messenger, even though they are sinning by ruling by other than what Allaah revealed - this is not permissible. Because even though they are like the Jews from the point of view of their ruling (by other than what Allaah revealed), they differ from the point of view that they have faith and conviction in Allaah contradicting the Jews, for indeed they rejected the Messenger as indicated in their previous saying, “but if he does not then beware and do not agree to have him arbitrate.”

And the reason behind this is that kufr is of two types: kufr in belief and kufr in action, and the kufr in belief is linked to the heart, and the kufr in action is linked to the limbs. So the one whose actions are kufr due to their contradicting the Sharee’ah, and this kufr follows on from what has become established in his heart i.e. kufr in belief, then this is the kufr which Allaah will not forgive and this person will reside in the Fire forever. But if (these kufr actions) contradict what is established in his heart, then he is a believer in the Rule of his Lord, but he contradicts this with his actions. So his kufr is kufr of action only, and it is not kufr in belief. And he is under the Will of Allaah, if He Wills He will punish him, and if He Wills He will forgive him. And it is with this (second) type (of kufr) that some of the ahaadeeth are to be understood which generalise the term kufr for a Muslim who performs a sinful action. And it would be good to mention some:

Sheikh Albany is much more qualified than Haddad and crushes his fatwa. You cannot declare Osama a kaafir even if he is commiting an act of Kufr by his statements. Cuz his act could be contrary to his beliefs. He does not intentionally believe that what he is saying is Kufr and then still says it. (Only Osama knows and God as well) You would have to know what is in Osama's heart to declare him Kaafir (infidel)? Well you do u have knowledge of the unseen? Say yes, then your a kaafir. Say no, then refute the fatwa by Alabani and the Abu Dawud hadith.......

I also urge Jalal to follow the Sunnah as well as defending it. Does Jalal think that this approach is going to convince Osama to listen to him? I urge Jalal to know how to talk to people according to the Sunnah http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/tpmfcpm/ Maybe Osama would have listened to Jalal, but to go and threaten somone to change his beliefs, give me a break. I sincerely condemn some of Osama's statements. However, i didnt go threatening him. I talked to him kindly and logically and he appreciated it. You cannot force anyone. Brother Jalal should know how to have an approach.......

I hope Jalal understands what i am trying to say.

So there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Jalal Abul-Rub is a sick liar for knowingly writing an absurd article with false facts despite the fact that the Truth had been made clear to him.

Also, I no longer consider the Prophet, peace be upon him, as one who spoke "utter nonesense", and the liar, Jalal, knows that. I have clarified this in the following emails:

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Karim,

Jalal being a dajjal does not mean he is an "anti-Christ". The anti-Christ was called or is titled "the dajjal" because he is a liar. But most certainly, dajjal in Arabic is not limited to "anti-Christ".

I am glad that you pointed out that Jalal was rude, because since your objection to my title to him is now cleared up, this means that I am perfectly within my rights to call him a dajjal, because he purposely made up lies against me. Even in his new papers on his site, he never gave references to the "quotes" that he quoted from me.

So having said that about the dajjal, let me now address your concerns. In regards to my position on the Prophet's, peace be upon him, knowledge and interpretation, here is where I stand:

1- I first question the hadiths that I raised objections to in the past, because they've been proven to be "ahad" hadiths; hadiths that had been narrated by either isolated people or a single individual. In other words, they're not popular.

2- The Noble Verses that deal with social issues and Laws, I never once raised any objection to any of those. I take what the Prophet, peace be upon him, taught us.

3- The interpretation of the Noble Verses that delt with science, or the hadiths that delt with science do not meet our standards today as far as science and the scientific discoveries and proofs are concerned. I call some of the Prophet's interpretations in this area as "limited interpretations", because while they answered the questions back then, but they certainly needed more elaboration today. The Noble Quran does contain secrets that were revealed for people to come. Who knows, may be there are secrets in the Noble Quran that future generations will discover.

Also, don't forget that Allah Almighty Himself did tell the Prophet and the people back then that He, the Almighty, Gave them limited knowledge:

[017:085] They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"

So as we clearly and indisputably see, the Prophet, peace be upon him, did not have or posses the ability from Allah Almighty to know everything. It was Allah Almighty's Divine Will and Purpose to have the Prophet have limited knowledge, which as a result enabled him to only give limited interpretations to some of the things that dealt with science.

I hope this answers your quesiton and concerns.

Best regards,
Osama Abdallah

Having said what I said below, does that mean that a person is justified in calling the Prophet's words as "utter nonesense"? Absolutely Not!

But like I told the dajjal before, the reason I said these words is because I was confused and I wasn't sure about what to believe in and what not to believe in.

And again, notice how the dajjal did not give any reference when he quoted me saying "utter nonesense" in his new paper. What else beside a liar would you call such person for posting things out of context in both time and content?

The Prophet of Islam and all of the Prophets, peace be upon them, deserve nothing but respect! So me also calling Jesus escaped to Egypt like a "rat" was equally wrong. I repented for both and asked Allah Almighty for forgiveness.

So now you tell me brother Karim if I should apologize to this dajjal and allow him in legal writing to modify my site as he pleases as he demanded?

Best regards,
Osama Abdallah

So again, there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Jalal Abul-Rub is a sick liar for knowingly writing an absurd article with false facts despite the fact that the Truth had been made clear to him over and over again.

3. The Prophet, peace be upon him, stoned Jewish adulterers, a male and a female, to death [al-Bukhari (1243)]; he stoned Muslim adulterers, a male and a female, to death [al-Bukhari (6324) & Muslim (3207)]; he also stoned a married female adulterer to death, while having the unmarried man with whom she had Zina flogged a hundred times and banished for a year [al-Bukhari (2498) and Muslim (3210)].

4. The Ummah of Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, upheld this Divine Law, especially the four Rightly Guided Caliphs.

a. Allah said, {And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell, what an evil destination!}; [4:115].

b. The Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, said this about his companions, “The best people are my generation, then the next generation, then the next generation”; [al-Bukhari (2457) & Muslim (4601)].

c. However, this is how Osama describes the Prophet, his companions and the Muslims who follow the way of these best of believers, “If Muhammad himself is nothing; a nobody; a piece of (not even a) bacteria when compared to GOD Almighty according to the Noble Quran, can you imagine what those glorified ones from his companions are to GOD Almighty? They are much lesser than Muhammad himself, and yet, some Muslims commit the crime of polytheism (shirk) and literally worship them through their evil actions.”

d. In comparison, this is how Allah describes the Prophet’s companions and those who follow their righteous path, {And the foremost to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirűn and the Ansâr and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success}; [9:100].

e. This is Allah’s Commandment to the believers, who came after the Muhajirin and Ansar, {And those who came after them say: “Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed full of kindness, Most Merciful”}; [59:10].

5. Abu Bakr is described by Allah as this, {If you help him (Muhammad) not (it does not matter), for Allâh did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they (Muhammad and Abu Bakr) were in the cave, he said to his Sahib (companion or friend, i.e. Abu Bakr): “Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allâh is with us”}; [9:40]. Further, Abu Bakr said, “I said to the Prophet, salla allahu `alaihi wa-sallam, while I was in the Cave, ‘If any of them looks under his feet, he will see us.’ He, salla allahu `alaihi wa-sallam, said, ‘O, Abu Bakr! What do you think of two the third of whom is Allah?’; [al-Bukhari (3380) and Muslim (4389)]. Abu Bakr’s Khilafah, or leadership after the Prophet died, was decided in this manner: The Messenger of Allah, salla allahu `alaihi wa-sallam, said to Aishah during his illness [before his death], “Call Abu Bakr, your father, and Abdul Rah`man, your brother, so that I write a document, for I fear that someone else might be desirous (meaning, of succeeding him, peace be upon him) and that some claimant may say, ‘I have better claim to it,’ whereas Allah and the Faithful will not substantiate the claim of anyone but that of Abu Bakr”; [Muslim (4399)].

a. This is how Osama describes Abu Bakr, “When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him died…Abu Baker (Abu Baker?) got himself elected by the people without giving a fair shot to Ali…So for Abu Baker to ignore the Muslims’ points of views and to force the leadership of someone else upon the Muslims (Osama means Umar here) is completely wrong!”

6. Umar is described by Allah’s Prophet, peace be upon him, as this, “While I was sleeping, I was brought a cup of milk and drank from it until I was so contented that I saw the milk flowing through my nails. Then I gave the remainder to `Umar Ibn al-Khattab.” The Prophet’s companions asked, “What do you interpret it, O, Allah’s Messenger?” He said, “Knowledge”; [al-Bukhari (80) and Muslim (4404)]. The Prophet, peace be upon him, also said this, “If a prophet were to come after me, it would have been Umar Ibn al-Khattab”; [Sahih at-Tirmidhi (2909)].

a. Umar is described by Osama as this, “He was the second Caliph. He Didn’t know much about how to take on the leadership.” According to Osama, Umar did not know how to lead Muslims! Umar? Al-Faruq?

b. In a speech given in the presence of the Prophet’s companions at the Prophet’s Masjid, and after he became the Khaleefah (Caliph), Umar said, “Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Ayah of the Rajm (stoning of married person male or female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Ayah and understood and memorized it. Allah’s Messenger, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, ‘By Allah, we do not find the Ayah of the Rajm in Allah’s Book,’ and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. The punishment of the Rajm is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession”; [al-Bukhari (6328) and Muslim (3201)].

c. Umar’s statement in the presence of the Prophet’s companions is indisputable evidence that the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, did Rajm and that it is a revelation from Allah to His Messenger, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam.

7. Uthman Ibn `Affan is described by Allah’s Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, as this: “(In a dream) I was placed on one hand of the scale and my Ummah (all other Muslims; the Ummah of Muhammad in its entirety) on the other hand, I came out heavier than them. Then the same was done with Abu Bakr (against all other Muslims, except the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam), then Umar, then Uthman, respectively, and each one of them came out heavier. Then the scales were raised up”; [Kitab-u as-Sunnah (1138)]”

a. This is how Osama describes Uthman, “Uthman…was the first Islamic leader to create the "Detectives" System…to spy on people and to stop anyone from growing in the State to cause a threat to him…Uthman…ordered for Abu Dhar to be sent out to live in the desert and to die lonely there…Uthman didn’t have the entire Noble Quran memorized, nor the Sayings of our Prophet peace be upon him compiled and understood. As far as his Islamic knowledge, he was a normal person.”

b. According to the words of Abu Dharr himself, Osama lied. Zaid Ibn Wahb said, “I passed by a place called Ar-Rabadhah and met Abu Dharr and asked him, ‘What has brought you to this place?’ He said, ‘I was in Sham (Syria) and differed with Mu`awiyah on the meaning of (the Ayat of the Qur’an about) those who hoard up gold and silver and spend them not in the way of Allah [9:34]. Mu`awiyah said, ‘This Ayah is revealed regarding the people of the scriptures.’ I (Abu Dharr) said, ‘It was revealed regarding us and also the people of the scriptures.’ We had a quarrel and Mu`awiyah sent a complaint against me to `Uthman. `Uthman wrote to me to come to Madinah, and I came to Madinah. Many people came to me as if they had not seen me before (al-Fat`h: asking him why he left ash-Sham). I told this to `Uthman who said to me, ‘You may depart and live nearby if you wish.’ That was the reason for my being here for even if an Ethiopian had been nominated as my ruler, I would have obeyed him’”; [Al-Bukhari (1318)].

c. ‘Detectives" System…to spy on people and to stop anyone from growing in the State to cause a threat to him’? There is no end to Osama’s lies and fabricating his own vision of history without evidence. Uthman did not even allow the Prophet’s companions to defend him when the Khawarij, who hated and slandered Uthman as much as Osama hates and slanders him, surrounded him in his house [A`hmad (451)]; this led to Uthman’s murder by the hands of the Khawarij. Osama does not seem to be bothered by what his Khawarij brethren did to Uthman; he is busy slandering Uthman himself.

d. ‘Uthman didn’t have the entire Quran memorized’? What kind of nonsense is this? Even Evangelicals know that the Quran we have today was collected by Uthman’s order and under his supervision; [al-Bukhari (4604)]. This is why the enemies of Islam keep insisting that the Quran we have today is different from the original Quran Prophet Muhammad recited to his companions. I would love to see the copy of the Quran Osama has that is different from the Uthmani Script that all Muslims now have.

e. Or, may be Osama means that Uthman did not memorize the entire Quran himself, which is also a lie. Uthman once recited the entire Quran during the Witr Rak`ah, i.e. one Rak`ah; [Qiyamu al-Lail, by al-Marwazi; also refer to, Fat`h-ul Bari, by al-Asqalani, who graded the Hadeeth as authentic].

g. Even though Uthman was among the foremost men to accept Islam, married two of the Prophet’s daughters, accompanied the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, for most of his life as a Prophet, preserved the Quran for all of mankind in one book, yet to Osama, ‘As far as his Islamic knowledge, he was a normal person’! Is it any wonder that Osama would say this, since even Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, to whom the Quran was revealed, had spoken utter nonsense when he thought that he was inspired to say what he said when in reality he wasn’t?

h. Uthman Ibn Affan heard the Khawarij who surrounded his house threaten to kill him and said, “Why would they kill me even though I heard Allah’s Messenger, salla allahu `alaihi wa-sallam, say, ‘A Muslim’s blood is not allowed to shed except in three cases: a man who commits adultery after being married (az-zani al-Mu`hsan) and, as a punishment, was stoned to death; a man who kills another person without justification; and a man who reverts from Islam after he became Muslim.’ By Allah! I never committed adultery either before or after Islam; I never killed a Muslim person; and I never reverted from Islam after I became Muslim’”; [Sahih Ibn Majah (2052)].

8. Ali is described by Allah’s Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, as this, “Abu Bakr is the most merciful person among my Ummah with my Ummah; Umar is the most firm among my Ummah in the religion of Allah; Uthman is the most sincerely shy person among my Ummah; and `Ali Ibn Abi Talib is the most knowledgeable among my Ummah in rendering judgment”; [Sahih Ibn Majah (125)]. Further, Muslim (113) reported that Ali said, “By Him Who split up the seed and created the living, the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.”

a. This is how Osama describes Ali, “Ali, however, didn’t also have much knowledge about the Noble Quran. He once ordered for a gay male…to be burnt alive…According to the Noble Quran, Ali had killed an innocent soul… Ali apparently got the idea of executing Gays from the Bible’s Leviticus 20:13”

b. Apparently, Ali knew the Quran very well and also the Sunnah. Allah gave this punishment for ‘gays’ in the Quran, {So when Our Commandment came, We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down, and rained on them stones of baked clay, in a well-arranged manner one after another; Marked from your Lord; and they are not ever far from the Zâliműn (evildoers)}; [11:82-83]. Ali applied the same penalty, death, with which Allah punished the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, who were ‘gays’ (there is no such thing as ‘gays’ in the Quran or Sunnah). It is also the same punishment, death, that the Prophet of Allah, Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, prescribed for the two parties to the act of sodomy; [Sahih Abi Dawud (4462)]. This is the practical manifestation of Allah’s Statement, {and they are not ever far from the Zâliműn}. Where is that Ayah in the Quran that asserts Osama’s decision that those who commit sodomy are to be flogged? Osama just explains the Quran as he wishes regardless of what the Prophet of Islam says.

c. Ali stoned an adulteress on a Friday, after having her lashed a hundred times on Thursday [A`hmad (678); also, Irwaa al-Ghalil (2430)].

9. Would any of this make any difference to Osama? Even if we prove that Allah’s Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, did legislate the Law of Rajm (stoning the adulterers to death) and render death as the Islamic penalty for sodomy, Osama has already stated that the Prophet, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, did make the mistake of interpreting some Noble Verses that were not really revealed for him to explain and had spoken utter nonsense when he thought that he was inspired to say what he said when in reality he wasn’t. This is the problem when one wants to think that he is being inspired when he/she has *good* inner feelings...This is a mistake our Prophet had fell into.

10. Muslims do not care what Osama says about the Quran or Sunnah: Muhammad, salla-llahu `alaihi wa-sallam, is Allah’s Prophet; Osama is just ignorant.

Again, in regards to fornication and adultery, I have refuted your points in the first "My response" section above.

"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and mend, Leave them alone (do not annoy them in other words after they were punished); for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:16)"

Aside from flogging them 100 stripes each (Noble Verse 24:2), I don't see how the punishment to death is prescribed here in this Noble Verse against two homosexual men. Obviously, "if they repent" means that they must be kept alive!

This is no insult to Caliph Ali, may Allah Almighty be pleased with him. This is rather a slap on the face to you and to the shia-cult who worship Ali with their evil practices!

I simply (previously) proved to them that even Ali, whom they worship by beating themselves almost to death with metal chains in remembrance for the unjust killing of him and his son Hussein, wasn't perfect and did make mistakes.

In case this still doesn't sink-in in your brain, what I am calling for here is to end the ridiculous Sunni-Shia conflict and to unite all Muslims under one banner! If I can't do it on a world-wide level, I believe that I could at least do it on my readers' level.

Also, the only "ignorant" one here about the Noble Quran is you, not me. You probably didn't even know that Noble Verse 4:16 above even existed!!

Flogging the dooms day out of the homosexual (100 stripes) would've been the appropriate Islamic punishment. But burning him with fire was wrong, and it is only a biblical law (Leviticus 20:13) to punish him to death and not Islamic! At least, it is not part of the Noble Quran, and it clearly contradicts or conflicts with the Noble Quran!

Also, once again, the previous comments that I made were made years ago when I seriously considered embracing the Quran-only belief. Using the few examples of emails that I presented above, Jalal is without a doubt a sick liar for trying to take an advantage of old facts that are not embraced any more and twisting them and making them into current news. He knows he is a liar. Everyone confronted him, as we clearly saw above, about his lies, and yet, he decided on his own to ignore all everyone.

Also, notice that he never addressed this simple contradiction that I presented to him in my previous rebuttal to him:

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Yet, we don't know if the Noble Quran came to nullify the Jewish Law or not!

Jalal is now rejecting the Sahih Bukhari Hadith, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824. Therefore, Jalal is now rejecting the entire Noble Quran, according to his statement above!

Do you or do you not reject the narration of Sahih Bukhari Hadith, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824? I want the reader to see that we never got a straight answer out him!

It was the second Caliph Omar (Umar) who forbade it, not the Prophet, nor even the first Caliph Abu Baker!

Jalal is now rejecting the Sahih Muslim Hadith, Book 008, Number 3250. Therefore, Jalal is now rejecting the entire Noble Quran, according to his statement above!

We can't possibly accept all of the narrations above to be equally authentic and true!

So there you have it Jalal. You've been refuted. You've been exposed and proven to be a preposterous liar who never answered any of my challenges. You fabricated lies against me, despite the fact that the Truth had been made clear to you by several people. You danced like a clown around every point I raised to you and never directly answered them, thinking that you can fool the reader into your lengthy and gibberish writings, when in reality you've only fooled yourself and those evil ones from your wahabi cult (the same cult that the evil and oppressive Afghan Talibans emerged from).

There is no question that the real liar here with the blasphemous mouth and attitude toward and against GOD Almighty and all Muslims for attacking real Muslims and declaring them as infidels, is without a doubt you and your satanic cult!

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