What can you say; Rasheed Responds back Instead of Responding back to Christian Polemic

 

By Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

 

Jalal Abualrubs writer Rasheed Gonzales has written a response to my response to his initial article on me. What makes this so interesting is that Rasheed is so enthusiastic to respond back to me, a Muslim, yet he hardly if ever writes anything to defend Islam from Christian missionaries as Answering-Islam. This alone exposes this coward, non the less, my message to Rasheed is come up with every response he wants against me, since I will be more than happy to keep on exposing him as I did in reply one:

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/responding_to_gonzales.htm

 

He Wrote

 

 

Surely to Allah we belong and to Him we will return. What can you say to someone who lies, ignores the crux of what is said against him and concocts a slew of far-fetched inferences and baseless accusations; a person who displays a lack of understanding and an infantile sense of logic yet flaunts a strange arrogance and deluded sense of self-accomplishment; a person who exudes compound ignorance of some of the key basic aspects of his religion … what can you say to Sami Zaatri? Not much. And Allah is the One who help is sought from.

 

My Response

 

Surely to Allah we belong, and surely we shall return to him. We do not belong to you or your gang of thugs who call every Muslim a kaffir for disagreeing with them.

 

And surely you should fear Allah, lest you return to him as a kaffir, because remember, if you accuse a Muslim of something false, what you accuse him of shall befall you, you and your thugs call Osama a kaffir, and he is not one so either you repent of it or stop it or it will simply turn on you.

 

He Wrote

 

“It has come to my attention that a Muslim writing on Jalal’s website has written some sort of response to me,” claims Sami, “his name is Rasheed Gonzales.” This is just a little over three months after he first received the reply I had written (which he refers to here) in an email from brother Jalal Abualrub (sent on March 14, 2006 to be exact). Just a little over three months and our brother Sami finally decides to write a reply to it. They say that “it’s better late than never,” but in this case, I think it would have been better for him to not have replied at all.

 

My Response

 

Actually, let me correct your lie, I NEVER received any reply from you 3 months ago, so please do NOT LIE. So thank you for exposing yourself there, indeed you suffer from this sickness.

 

And if your reply was put on your site 3 months ago, then you should have informed me, since I did not know, or are you a coward and you do not inform your opponent that you are replying to them? In this case I do not blame you.

 

Secondly, it seems Rasheed is trying to act smart and make me look bad since he believes it took me 3 months to eventually write a response to him, by doing so he also indirectly attacks his own boss Jalal! See for yourself, this is what Jalal said MONTHS ago:

 

·                     Abualrub's "next step" was made public in an email sent out by him on 28 January 2005:

This is a general announcement from Jalal Abualrub (WWW.IslamLife.Com):

I am currently writing a massive rebuttal against an article written by Sam Shamoun and posted by an Evangelical website that intentionally spreads hatred, misinformation and malice against Islam. The title of Shamoun’s article is, ‘Allah’s Guessing Game’; the title of my rebuttal is, ‘Shamoun’s Guessing Game.’(http://www.answeringislam.net/Responses/Abualrub/index.htm)

This is an email Jalal sent to Answering-Islam back in January of LAST YEAR! He said he was writing a massive rebuttal to Shamoun, he was supposed to refute this article:

http://www.answeringislam.net/Shamoun/allahs_ignorance.htm

 

As of Wednesday, June 21, 2006, Jalal has yet to respond to this article of Shamouns. It is now almost SEVENTEEN MONTHS now, and Jalal has yet to respond, so I mean if I am bad for taking 3 months to reply (to an article I did not know was out there, or told about it) then Jalal is far worst than me since it is now only a week until it is 17 months since Jalal said he would respond!

So advice to Rasheed, do not throw stones if you live in a glass house, and in fact throw all the stones you want since this house is made of steal! So thank you for that, you just made yourself look very stupid, and by doing so you make Jalal look more stupid for allowing you to publish such idiocy because he also shoots himself in the foot! As I said, keep on responding to me, because you always expose yourself when you do! Praise Allah!

 

He Wrote

It would have saved him the time he wasted on the incoherent twelve-plus page reply-as-you-read type response he muddled together, as well as the embarrassment of exposing himself as an ignorant person who makes wild slanderous accusations based on childlike reasoning and rationale.

My Response

The only embarrassment is you, it is your wish that I do not reply back to you, you are obviously scared since you never even told me that you replied back to me. I urge all readers to visit my first response to this fool, to just see how stupid this guy really is:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/responding_to_gonzales.htm

 

He Wrote

After a short introduction to his farce of a rebuttal, Sami then chirps, “Let me correct your errors from the start, I have never read any of your articles against Osama, so please do not flatter yourself, I did not even bother reading any of your rubbish material which you wrote on Osama so let us not get ahead of ourselves.” Aside from the redundancy in this statement, Sami seems to forget that in the email he had sent to brother Jalal (which my first reply to Sami was in response to) dated March 6, 2006, he arrogantly proclaimed, “you know i was reading that new article of yours by those 2 losers you put up, and i found it so funny you claim salafis are the true carriers of the prophets sunnah in our times, HAHAHAHA you guys are so full of yourselves” (emphasis mine). The article he mentions here is none other than the one and only article I had written for Jalal’s site concerning Osama Abdallah titled Osama Abdallah, Arrogance, Ignorance, Obstinacy, and the two “losers” he is referring to are in reality one person—me—which I clarified in my first reply to him.

My Response

I must say, I have to hold myself from laughing; this guy is a true joke. He says that since I said:

you know i was reading that new article of yours by those 2 losers you put up

Maybe this guy doesn’t understand proper clear English, incase let me clarify, since he obviously does not know how to put 2 and 2 together. When I said ‘You know I was reading that new article’ this was simply figure of speech, it did not mean I literally read everything in Rasheeds long rubbish article, you do know that people can open up an article and just skim through it, and not actually read it, you did know that right? I simply opened his article up to see who wrote it, and to check if it was long, and then just skimmed through it, not GOING THROUGH IT as I am doing with your last 2 articles, so again, NO I have never read any of your articles, and by this I mean I have not opened up your paper and read it all from start to finish as I am doing with this one. Opening an article and getting the name of the author, and just skimming through it does not mean I read it, all it means is I opened it and simply scrolled down and in 10 seconds I closed it.

I am glad you did bring this up, since I knew you would, you are so predictable, your attempt of trying to make me look bad simply backfires again and just shows how silly you are, I am always a step ahead of you and your boss. In fact I already know h

He Wrote

Sami even had the courtesy to thank me later on in his amusing “rebuttal” for pointing that fact out saying, “Thank you for informing me that you are one person, I thought there were two of you because of seeing two names. I did not know the second name was a title.”

 

Given these two examples of contradictions on his part, either this poor fellow is lying in attempts to save face, or he is completely ignorant of what he himself writes and reads. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I would opt for the latter rather than the former, though, as the saying goes, “the sweetest of the two is still quite bitter.”

My Response

I cannot believe how predictable he is, I am literally shocked that he has done exactly I thought he would, which is try and claim I am lying about never reading his article, yet knowing he wrote it. See again, this guy is very sad, and got so excited he did not think his claims through, again, just because I open an article and get down the persons name, does it mean I read his article! God what stupid logic is that? For instance say you readers visit this article of mine:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/3_pagan_gods.htm

You the reader simply click on it, and open it, and just want to see the authors name to the article, once you do so you close the article, now if I ask you did you read it, what will you say? You will say NO! But does it make you a liar since you opened the article up and got my name?! Further more, just say, you just skimmed through it, and scrolled down just catching glimpses, and closed it in 10 seconds. If I asked you, did you read it? You would say NO! It seems such simplicity is too complicating for Rasheed, I knew he would bring this up, ah how pathetic he is.

He Wrote

Baseless Accusations and Far-Fetched Inferences

 

Aside from the above mentioned accusations and slanders, Sami also has the deluded notion that I “now [think I] and Jalal are fit to call who [we] want a kaffir,” that I go “around calling Muslims kaffirs right left and centre,” that I am “intent on calling Osama a kaffir,” and that I “call Muslims kaffirs,” despite the fact that he has no evidence whatsoever to back up these slanderous accusations against me; not one instance where I have declared Osama Abdallah to be a disbeliever or an apostate! And although he may (and will) find evidence that I believe Jalal does have reason to do so, he will not find any evidence or indication that I believe that Jalal is right in doing so.

 

My Response

I must say, I am very impressed with Rasheed’s honesty for once; at least he has the courage to admit that he does not agree with Jalal.

However so, this honesty backfires I am afraid, not he states he does not agree with Jalal (GOOD) but he says all he did is try to show that Jalal’s reasons for calling Osama a kaffir could be valid, so he was simply arguing to show Jalal’s argument has validity. However so, why did not Rasheed also show the other side, the other side which is contrary to Jalal’s claims?

And why didn’t Rasheed make this crystal clear for all, showing he does not agree with Jalal when he gave the impression that he did. However so, I am sorry to say Jalal has NO VALID reason to call Osama a kaffir, I refuted him and you on this, no need for me to go over it again, readers can read it here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/osama_not_apostate.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/responding_to_gonzales.htm

He Wrote

With reasoning beyond any sane person’s logic, Sami screeches, “I challenge you, I CHALLENGE YOU TO CALL SHABIR ALLY A KAFFIR, go on, go do it so everyone sees how lost people like you are.” I do not know what Sami hopes to achieve by this, especially given the fact that I do not declare Shabir Ally to be a disbeliever. Despite the fact that Shabir’s beliefs concerning Allah’s knowledge of the future do in fact constitute disbelief (something I have said to him in his face), not everyone who falls into disbelief is to be labelled a disbeliever as has been explained by several scholars of Islam, past and present. And I suggest Sami listen to the audio lecture found on QSS.org titled The Innovation and the Innovators (al-Bid'ah wal-Mubtadi'ah) by Shaikh Aboo Haatim Usaamah al-Qoosee. The lecture is concerning those who fall into heretic innovations, but the principles explained also apply to the issue of takfeer (declaring one to be a disbeliever).

My Response

I challenged you to call Shabir a kaffir because your boss loves to call Muslims kaffirs, so maybe you would be the same, thank God you are not.

Rasheed need not advise me to go listen to this lecture, rather he should advise his boss Jalal, since it not I, but Jalal who is calling Muslims kaffirs.

But what exactly are me and you talking about now? My entire point was to show it is wrong to call Osama a kaffir, and I proved it with the Quran and hadiths, you are now agreeing with me! So what exactly are you refuting, I do not know, it seems you are now making this a personal feud.

He Wrote

Then despite being told that Aboo Mus'ab az-Zarqaawee, Usaamah bin Laadin and their likes are Takfeerees, from the Khawaarij and not Salafees, Sami ignores this and maintains that “Yes, the majority of them are Salafis, they even went and killed many Sunni Muslims, not only Shias, but they have a lot of non-Salafi Sunni blood on their hands.” He then asserts, “What is the difference between you and them? You go around calling every Muslim a kaffir like they do, and they kill them, you have not killed anyone yet, but you have done step one which is calling Muslims who don’t agree with you a kaffir.” Praise be to Allah, I have not killed anyone. However, the certainty with which Sami states this is pretty amusing given the fact that he does not know me.

My Response

Are you blind? I never said you killed anyone, perhaps you should read better next time. I said you are similar to them in that you call people kaffir, something you now deny, I never said you killed people, I clearly said:

, you have not killed anyone yet

So I never said you were a killer, or killed people.

He Wrote

Sami also arrives at the mind-boggling conclusion that by pointing out his inability to spell English words correctly (they are not mere typos, and there are a lot more instances of this in this last reply of his) I somehow “indirectly insulted the prophet Muhammad,” claiming that “if it is bad that [he] did a spelling mistake and that [I] are perfect in [my] spelling than [he guesses] that makes [me] better than the prophet” who did not read or write. How he made correlation between the two, only Allah knows.

My Response

Off course you didn’t, every reader understood what I meant, so there will be no need for me to go over it, bring me a REAL REBUTTAL, stop replying to personal issues which you started, it seems this rebuttal is only personal. In fact this statement of his proves that his response is a simple personal response, not a real rebuttal with relevant info refuting my main points of why Jalal is wrong for calling Osama a kaffir:

organisation I volunteer for and contribute to has done far more to help Islam and Muslims than the whole of Sami’s beloved Answering-Christianity.com can ever dream of.

All I can say to that is mabrook, meaning congratulations in Arabic, very good, but note, all this hard work means NOTHING, why? Because he is saying it in a boasting manner! It would have been better of him to say this with some modesty, but no, he wants to show off. But thank you Rasheed, you only make yourself look bad with such talk, non the less, please feel free to continue.

Finally, Rasheed finally concentrates on my points, and does a very bad job.

HE SAYS:

As for aspects of his faith and religion, Sami doesn’t seem to know what a major sin or what a minor sin is. “Contrary to Rasheed’s claims, that the fatwa was simply talking about bad sins such as illegal sex, gambling, drinking alcohol etc,” Sami erroneously states (note that I explicitly said that the fatwa was concerning major sins and gave these sins as examples), “the fatwa was also about MAJOR SINS, this includes many other sins.” To Sami, illegal sexual exploits, gambling and drinking alcohol are all merely “bad sins” while the leading scholars of Islam, such as Imam Shams ad-Deen adh-Dhahabee and Imam Muhammad bin 'Abdil-Wahhaab, have included all these sins in their books concerning the major sins—both of which have been translated to English, so Sami and his buddies should easily be able to read them. Apparently, Sami does not know the difference between the two or what the definitions of each.

RESPONSE

Apparently you did not understand me, or chose to intentionally distort what I meant, where did I say these are merely bad sins, here is what I said, in context with what you said:

 

Now, looking at the two statements quoted in support of Sami’s rebuttal to Jalal, the initial fatwaa quoted concerns a Muslim who falls into one of the major sins; such as fornication, drinking alcohol, stealing, or slander. It does not concern one who falls into acts of clear disbelief which expel one from the religion of Islam. Thus, the fatwa cannot be quoted in support of Sami’s claims. This is the first point.

 

My Response

 

Rasheed is talking about a fatwa I had posted showing that Muslims should never call another Muslim a kaffir if he commits major sins.

 

Contrary to Rasheed’s claims, that the fatwa was simply talking about bad sins such as illegal sex, gambling, drinking alcohol etc, the fatwa was also about MAJOR SINS, this includes many other sins.

Notice, Rasheed was arguing a fatwa I issued was simply saying Muslims cannot call Muslims, who fall into sins such as gambling, illegal sex etc kaffirs, I was showing he was wrong, I was showing the fatwa was about MAJOR SINS which were not only limited to the major bad ones which were posted, as the fatwa also said:

 

Sheikh Muhammad Iqbal Nadvi, Imam of Calgary Mosque, Canada, and Former Professor at King Saud Univ., Saudi Arabia, adds:

“Basically, what is to be understood here is that Kufr is a matter of faith.

I wanted to show from the fatwa that we cannot Muslims kaffirs, and the fatwa backed me up, Rasheed made the mistake of assuming the fatwa simply talked about whether we can call bad Muslims kaffirs.

Also where did I say these sins are merely bad sins? You are making this up, I NEVER SAID these are merely bad sins. He thinks I made a distinction, but if he read correctly he would see I said:

Contrary to Rasheed’s claims, that the fatwa was simply talking about bad sins such as illegal sex, gambling, drinking alcohol etc, the fatwa was also about MAJOR SINS, this includes many other sins.

 

Note I clearly said, that the fatwa was not simply about the bad sins of illegal sex and so on, but OTHER MAJOR SINS, WHICH INCLUDES many other sins, so it is clear I did not consider these sins as just bad and not VERY BAD. I wanted to show the fatwa was not restricted to only these bad sins, but to many other major sins and so on. So Rasheed is arguing against nothing.

He then says:

More troubling than this however, is that Sami claims that my “boss [and I—where he got that Jalal is my boss, I have no clue] never address anything that [he has] told [us] that it is wrong to call Osama a kaffir,” and that we “never responded to this and kept coming up with their rubbish attacks on Osama.” He either ignores or is too arrogant to acknowledge the five very important and very relevant quotes I provided from the scholars and imams of Islam that address exactly what he is referring to. Sami does not seem to realise that while yes, the hadeeth of intercession is true and Allah will remove those who have professed the word of tawheed sincerely, even with no good deeds, from the Fire after their purification and yes, the hadeeth warning of the severity of declaring your Muslim brothers and sisters disbelievers is true and stern, there are in fact things that if one does, says or believes, can expel one from the religion of Islam and nullify his or her faith completely.

RESPONSE

Yes, you nor your boss, nor any of what you quoted refute my facts and position which I proved from the Quran and Hadiths! Any Muslim who has faith, even the slightest, will be granted paradise, however so it seems this is not good enough for Rasheed. Are you telling me that contrary to the hadith, that a Muslim who actually has faith in Allah will remain in hell? Is this what your saying?

I made it clear that Allah is very very clear on how important your faith is, it is whether you believe or not, following the rules of Islam without believing in any of its essentials is useless, you MUST BELIEVE AND HAVE FAITH, Osama has this for sure, so case CLOSED.

Muslims will say and do many stupid things throughout their life, Allah himself knows this, however so, he is not a mean God, but a very merciful God, which is exactly why he shall still grant paradise to all TRUE believing Muslims.

He then wrote:

As for his ignorance of what he himself reads and writes, this is evident throughout his sad excuse for a reply to me. Not only does he demonstrate this beautifully himself in the instances mentioned earlier, he also commits a number of pretty amusing gaffes. One of which is his uncertainty concerning the email he wrote “back in February-March [he] believe[s].” Perhaps if he was paying attention to what he was reading he would have noticed that I mentioned the exact date (March 6, 2006) at the very beginning of my article.

RESPONSE

Everyone can see the only sorry excuse for a reply is your pathetic rebuttal, you have brought NOTHING in this rebuttal, just personal issues, which is all irrelevant, the readers will all notice this, you are simply talking personal issues, so why did you write this rebuttal? To save face? Bad news, it made you look worst.

Secondly, let me expose your arrogance, you say:

One of which is his uncertainty concerning the email he wrote “back in February-March [he] believe[s].” Perhaps if he was paying attention to what he was reading he would have noticed that I mentioned the exact date (March 6, 2006) at the very beginning of my article.

This is what you really said:

A couple days ago (March 6, 2006), I received an email from brother Jalal Abualrub

Rasheed did not give the exact date of when I wrote my email, but instead he gave the date of when Jalal SENT my email to him, there is a big difference between saying the day I received an email from you, than that of receiving my email through someone else. You simply gave the date of when YOU got the email from Jalal, not when I sent it! It is possible that I sent it in Febuary, and Jalal sent it to you at the start of March, exactly why I said Febuary-March, because I remember this all started happening near the end and start of March. So please stop trying to make me look bad, it always backfires and simply shows you are very stupid and that you are not on my level.

Rasheed in fact proves he is an idiot when he says:

Another is his question regarding a number of today’s young knowledgeable scholars named in my reply. Sami foolishly asks, “The Salafi sheikhs you mention, who are they? Where are they?” This is despite the fact that I mentioned where each of them were after I mentioned their names

I must say, I laughed so hard at this comment! Note how silly and foolish this guy is, he thinks when I said WHERE ARE THEY? He thought I meant physical location! Here is what I said:

 

The Salafi sheikhs you mention, who are they? Where are they? I never see them do anything for Muslims, it is scholars like Shabir Ally, Zakir Naik, Jamal Badawi, and the great scholar Ahmed deedat who were the actual scholars who did something for the Muslims in defending Islam and refuting Christianity, in fact I guarantee you anything that the majority of readers will not recognized any of those scholars you mentioned, but they will recognize Ahmed deedat, Jamal badawi, and Shabir Ally.

How did this guy think I was referring to a physical location I have no idea! It is a common figure of speech and every reader would know I was not referring to a physical location! This guy has really made himself look stupid with that, I even know Rasheed will laugh at himself for this!

If he read in context he would get it, maybe it is him that should pay attention, what a clown! And again, WHERE ARE YOUR SCHOLARS, I do not see them do anything!

With that said this brings this ‘rebuttal’ to a close, although there was really nothing to refute, please Rasheed stop wasting our time. If you have more personal issues, email me, do not waste our (yours too) readers time, but I shall reply if you continue putting your personal responses on your site since I don’t want you to have the notion that you have silenced and refuted me.

And may Allah send his peace and blessing upon ALL the prophets, and all the true Muslims, may he protect us all and guide us all to paradise! AMEEN!